Psychologist and author Dr. Camille Preston joins Ken and Jim for a deeply personal and timely conversation inspired by her new book, Living Real. Together, they explore what it means to live with emotional depth in a world that pushes us to stay busy, be upbeat, and get distracted.Camille introduces the concept of shallowing—the habit of avoiding life’s hard feelings in a misguided attempt to stay afloat. But as she explains, when we numb the lows, we also miss the highs.This episode is about burnout, grief, identity, and the lifelong journey of unlearning the pressure to always do—so we can remember how to truly be. Whether you're navigating a transition, wrestling with questions about what really matters, or simply tired of feeling stretched thin, this is a conversation that invites you to slow down and live real.For More about Dr. Camille Preston click here.Get you copy of 'Living Real: Redefining Success, Presence, and HappinessFor more about Living Real, including resources and activities, click here.Leave your thoughts via Fan Mail

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