Recorded live at Phoenix Palace during NYC StarChefs Rising Stars. Sponsored by Symrise.
In this special episode of Flavors Unknown, we head to New York City for a dynamic roundtable with four of the most exciting names in the city’s food and beverage scene:


Chef Zhan Chen – Executive Chef at Phoenix Palace, redefining Cantonese dining in Chinatown.


Chef Neel Kajale – Chef de Cuisine at Dhamaka, championing bold Indian regional cuisine at Essex Market.


Chef Luis Herrera – The talent behind Ensenada, bringing coastal Mexican flavors to Brooklyn and Miami.


Richie Millwater – Mixologist and Bar Manager at Clemente Bar, upstairs at Eleven Madison Park, where nostalgic classics meet boundary-pushing cocktails.


Together, they unpack the evolution of New York’s dining and drinking scene post-pandemic—from the craving for authenticity and simplicity to the new generation’s reimagining of luxury, balance, and creativity behind the pass and the bar.

What you’ll learn from this panel discussion

3:17 – The moment that shook the hospitality industry
4:49 – Why many are stepping away from fine dining
5:49 – The tension between upscale indulgence and underground gems
7:50 – The power and precision of honoring regional cuisines
8:26 – Turning up the spice in Indian food
9:15 – Why you won’t find butter chicken on the Dhamaka menu
10:38 – The rise of hyper-local, hyper-specific food storytelling
13:40 – Storytelling as a vital ingredient on the plate
14:02 – How chefs adapt concepts for new cities and diners
19:30 – Why Miles Davis still echoes at Eleven Madison Park
20:03 – Reinventing classics: where cocktail culture meets innovation
20:21 – How kitchens are inspiring the bar—from scraps to sips
22:16 – Cooking from memory: Neel’s creative muse
23:01 – Nose-to-tail, root-to-stem: India’s culinary ethos
26:39 – How NYC flavors mirror its cultural kaleidoscope
27:38 – The many faces (and uses) of soy
28:58 – Creativity through constraint: turning limitations into art
30:34 – The grind and beauty of cooking everything from scratch
32:22 – Culinary cross-pollination: when food inspires drinks
33:25 – Ferments, funk, and flavor layering behind the bar
36:00 – The world’s most popular spirit no one’s talking about
37:11 – What’s missing from most bars today
37:36 – The unlikely inspiration found in Chinese supermarkets
39:32 – Signature flavors from Ensenada, Dhamaka, Phoenix Palace & Clemente
44:20 – How these chefs seek balance in a demanding industry
46:23 – Understanding Gen Z’s view on hospitality work
50:32 – New vs. old school restaurant criticism
55:18 – Pork, plant-based pivots, and evolving food trends



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Phoenix Palace
Dhamaka
Ensenada
Clemente Bar

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