Kat takes the lead as teacher in this episode, walking Amy through a deep dive on Mel Robbins, the controversy around her Let Them Theory, and the viral poem by Cassie Phillips that started it all. Together, Amy and Kat explore plagiarism claims, the idea of “cruel optimism,” and why so many self-help messages start to feel like sales pitches. They share what first drew them to Mel, what’s changed over time, and the 5 questions we can all ask before deciding who to trust in the self-help world. Call and leave a voicemail: 877-207-2077 Email: [email protected] HOSTS: Amy Brown // RadioAmy.com // @RadioAmy Kat Van Buren // @KatVanburenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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