In this interview the paradox of surrender and mastery in spiritual growth it’s been discussed by Faisal and Shelley. Faisal explains that the journey is not about choosing one over the other but rather understanding that both exist simultaneously. He emphasizes that reality is based on duality, and that conflicting elements can harmonize and work together. Faisal suggests that surrendering is about going with the flow, while mastery involves asserting one's free will, even if it risks conflict with reality. Faisal argues that both surrender, and mastery are necessary for spiritual evolution, and that individuals should strive to balance both in their journey.

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