Join Pastor Josh  and Matt Shiles as they provide insights into the new series on redeeming the word "no." The series is based on the book "No is a Beautiful Word" by guest preacher Pastor Kevin Harney. Pastor Josh shares his connection with Pastor Kevin, starting from their meeting at Wheaton College. The podcast delves into the process of how PJ and Joni met with Pastor Kevin and his wife in California, the unique experience of playing golf at Pebble Beach, and the unfolding events leading to PJ's role as the teaching pastor at Shoreline with the intention of eventually becoming the lead pastor. The episode also touches on unexpected developments at another church where PJ was part-time, adding a layer of complexity to the decision-making process.

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