In this week’s interview episode, we are joined by Lisa Clifton-Bumpass. Lisa is a training systems analyst specializing in the constructional approach. Lisa is known for her work with giraffes but has worked with 70 different species in her work with zoos, and domestic animals in a variety of capacities. It’s not every day that you get to talk with someone who has made such incredible contributions to, not only the animal welfare community, but also to the human welfare community, and we were so lucky to get to bring you this conversation. In this episode, you’re going to hear Lisa and Allie talk about:How a Constructional Approach can help you craft a bite-sized training plan The best story about a bat named Beethoven Interviewing the animal in front of youYou can find the full show notes here.Get your Imposter Syndrome Toolkit for Trainers here: https://petharmonytraining.com/impostertoolkit/ 

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