Khalilah and Ryan have the privilege and honor to sit with Dr. Elelwani Ramugondo and Dr. Frank Kronenberg to, oh you know, just casually discuss theorizing and disrupting for occupational therapy's future. This pair of professors seamlessly connect the story of their couple power to their immense individual contributions in the occupational therapy and occupational science realm, while being hilarious and as salt of the Earth as you can be. We laugh, we shake shit up, we are inspired and energized! Highlights include: Trojan horses galore, Elelwani being an enzyme,  Khalilah immediately changing her syllabus, Ryan calling out angels, and Frank severely underestimating the age of a spring chicken.

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