Van and Nate discuss how designers and clergy move through their day undertaking and accomplishing tasks they were rarely trained in or prepared for, partly due to the expectations technology and culture have created. They quickly move to discuss how gaining a deeper and more honest perspective can be vital in seeing why we are asked to do things that are outside of our expertise.How do we gain some humility and give each other the benefit of the doubt?Send us a text message letting us know what you think of this episode!We envision a world where design and religion work together to spread love, empathy, and charity faster than divisiveness, selfishness, and hate. To achieve this, we aim to bring the stories of those driving this change—both big and small—into the spotlight, allowing ideas for positive transformation to spread quickly and reach those who need them most. Nate is the Head Pastor at Red Clay Creek Presbyterian Church https://rccpc.org/Van is a Service Designer and Illustrator, and his work can be found at https://www.vansheacreative.com/

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