Van and Nate discuss Van's perspective as a designer on the art of preaching, comparing it to trial lawyers' persuasive techniques. Van begins to share his thoughts on what he believes for both clergy and design perspectives, mentioning contrasting examples from the design world.Send us a text message letting us know what you think of this episode!We envision a world where design and religion work together to spread love, empathy, and charity faster than divisiveness, selfishness, and hate. To achieve this, we aim to bring the stories of those driving this change—both big and small—into the spotlight, allowing ideas for positive transformation to spread quickly and reach those who need them most. Nate is the Head Pastor at Red Clay Creek Presbyterian Church https://rccpc.org/Van is a Service Designer and Illustrator, and his work can be found at https://www.vansheacreative.com/

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