In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Matt Brough. Matt Brough is the director of CyclcialPCC, a denomination-wide Church planting initiative of the Presbyterian Church in Canada. He also serves part time as the minister of Prairie Presbyterian Church in Winnipeg, Manitoba, hosts a podcast called Spirituality for Ordinary People, and is an independent author and publisher. His books include Let God Be God: Give Control to the Only One Who Can Set You Free, Let God Be Present: Uncovering the Will, Courage, and Persistence to Truly Connect, and a fantasy-adventure series of novels for young readers (Book 1: Del Ryder and the Crystal Seed)
. Here are some quotes from the interview: "We think of these institutional bodies as impersonal, but they are actually the church discerning God's presence"

"What I was doing was forming a core team but I didn't know it."

"I would spend a lot longer in planning, discernment, and prayer..."

"I look back and I think, What was God up to? Because our identity as a congregation got a lot stronger than if we had built."

"In church planting, it always feels like the next thing is really important. I would encourage people to take their time, to have a long view. Take your time in discernment and starting steps."

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