On Episode 2 of the John Curtin Research Centre's Curtin's Cast podcast JCRC Executive Director Nick Dyrenfurth and RedBridge Director Kos Samaras chat to the Treasurer of Australia and Member for Rankin in suburban Brisbane, Jim Chalmers. We deep dive into what makes Jim tick and his passions, including what he does outside of the cut and thrust of political life, how he takes inspiration from Labor legend Paul Keating and where he differs in his 21st century approach, the big challenge of intergenerational responsibility, the fourth wave of economic transformation, and what is at stake at this year's election, and much more.

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