Today we welcome Jason Debiak, an old friend of our co-host, Carl, and co-founder of Paper Tiger, a family-owned design agency in New Jersey. Jason runs the agency alongside his brother, creating designs for user-friendly websites and mobile applications while having a "Helvetica of a good time" (his words, pun intended, no apologies). They've worked with big-name companies including the New York Times, Fort Point Beer, and PBS. Tune in as Jason shares his story from the world of indie music, his "journey of screwing up," and why AI design programs may not be as scary as they seem.

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