In 2017, the unthinkable happened to Julie Zarifeh. Not only did she lose her husband to pancreatic cancer, but 16 days later her oldest son Sam (aged 27), died tragically on a rafting trip.Whilst she’d had three years to prepare for her husband John’s death, the sudden expected loss of her son hit hard. Julie knew what she had to do. Get out into the world and live. And so she did.This is a powerful story of finding joy and continuing to function alongside moving through unimaginable grief. Continue your conversation with Lisa on Substack Know someone who would love this episode? Share it with them here (um, and a hefty handful of stars would be greatly appreciated!)

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