Sometime in early 2021 there was a bit of excitement on the Research Software Engineering Slack channel. It was all about a blog post called: "Research Software code is likely to remain a tangled mess". The author, Derek Jones, is quite critical of what we are doing with software in research. I accept that not everybody is a fan of Research Software Engineering and I reached out to Derek, who kindly agreed to talk to me for this episode.In our discussion we touch on a number of subjects, from sustainability, best practices to testing.Links:http://shape-of-code.coding-guidelines.com/2021/02/21/research-software-code-is-likely-to-remain-a-tangled-mess/Derek's book on Evidence Based Software Engineeringhttp://www.knosof.co.uk/ESEUR/Leprechauns of Software Engineering (mentioned in the discussion)https://leanpub.com/leprechaunsGet in touchThank you for listening! Merci de votre écoute! Vielen Dank für´s Zuhören! Contact Details/ Coordonnées / Kontakt: Email mailto:[email protected] UK RSE Slack (ukrse.slack.com): @code4thought or @piddie Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/code4thought.bsky.social LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pweschmidt/ (personal Profile)LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/codeforthought/ (Code for Thought Profile) This podcast is licensed under the Creative Commons Licence: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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