In part two of this "mini-series" on diverse roles in data science teams, I speak with Dr Emma Karoune from the Alan Turing Institute https://www.turing.ac.uk/  and the deputy director of the Software Sustainability Institute of the UK, Simon Hettrick.Emma and I explore the skills and policy landscape of modern data science roles. Emma is one of the awardees of the Skills Policy Award at the Alan Turing Institute.Simon discusses how groups like the Research Software Engineering community and initiatives like the Hidden REF help to bring about real change. https://www.turing.ac.uk/skills-policy-awards-20232024 The home page for the Project Dr Emma Karoune is involved with at the Alan Turing Institutehttps://www.software.ac.uk The Software Sustainability Institutehttps://hidden-ref.org The "Hidden REF" initiative home pageBoth Emma and Simon are Committee member of the Hidden REF (The hidden REF – Celebrating all research outputs (hidden-ref.org)), a campaign to recognise all research outputs and every role that makes research possible.More information about Emma's project can be found on the project website - Professionalising traditional and infrastructure research roles in data science | The Alan Turing Institute. Emma would like to thank her project team members Malvika Sharan and Alexandra Araujo Alvarez as well as all those at The Alan Turing Institute and other data science professionals who have contributed to this project through attending workshops and interviews.Get in touchThank you for listening! Merci de votre écoute! Vielen Dank für´s Zuhören! Contact Details/ Coordonnées / Kontakt: Email mailto:[email protected] UK RSE Slack (ukrse.slack.com): @code4thought or @piddie Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/code4thought.bsky.social LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pweschmidt/ (personal Profile)LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/codeforthought/ (Code for Thought Profile) This podcast is licensed under the Creative Commons Licence: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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