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00:00 – 00:02:30 | Intro, WrestleMania Hype, and Matt Cardona’s Arrival
Jonathan Coachman introduces Matt Cardona, highlighting his status as “the Internet champion” and discussing their shared WWE past. Matt recalls his recent trip to Australia, where he won the World Series Wrestling World Title and shares how overseas fans fuel his passion and merch sales.
00:02:31 – 00:06:44 | Leaving WWE & Embracing the Independent Scene
Cardona recounts dealing with his WWE release during the pandemic, how he “killed Zack Ryder”—his WWE persona—to become Matt Cardona, and his strategy of being a hated heel to maximize audience engagement and merchandise sales. He stresses the importance of connecting with fans beyond the ring.
00:06:45 – 00:08:43 | Turning a Death Match Into a Merch Jackpot
Matt details his infamous GCW death match versus Nick Gage, the viral exposure, and how he monetized the bloody aftermath by selling pieces of his shirt for over $20,000, echoing WWE's merch practices. He emphasizes the business lessons from WWE and how indie stars can level up.
00:08:44 – 00:10:33 | Mindset Shift: From Bitter Ex-WWE to Thriving Entrepreneur
Cardona opens up about embracing his WWE journey as “developmental” for his business acumen—eschewing bitterness for gratitude and personal growth. He declares his indie run as the most successful chapter of his career by every metric.
00:10:34 – 00:13:14 | Social Media & Personal Branding Secrets
With millions of followers, Cardona outlines how wrestlers and creators should use social media for free marketing, posting relentlessly, and staying constantly in the public eye. He shares tactical advice for aspiring talent to stand out.
00:13:15 – 00:15:38 | Booking Control & The Freedom of Being a Free Agent
Matt discusses his self-managed schedule, relishing the ability to turn down bookings and enjoy newfound freedom after a strictly regimented WWE career.
00:15:39 – 00:16:54 | AEW’s Impact on Wrestling Business
Cardona credits AEW for creating jobs and raising pay scales across the industry—expanding opportunities for wrestlers, production staff, and beyond. He appreciates the competition and energy it brought to the business.
00:16:55 – 00:20:47 | Indie-WWE Crossover, Fan Culture, and Chelsea Green’s Rise
He discusses the modern crossover between major promotions and indie companies, the unpredictability reminiscent of the Monday Night Wars, and shines a spotlight on his wife Chelsea Green—her unique approach to making every minute count backstage and on social.
00:20:48 – 00:22:06 | Mentorship and Honest Advice for Young Talent
Cardona shares his willingness to help younger wrestlers, pushing them to maximize social media, understand the business, and be proactive about self-promotion. He notes that wrestling success today is built far beyond just match quality.
00:22:07 – 00:25:22 | The Value of House Shows & Staying Sharp as a Wrestler
The hosts discuss the pros and cons of house shows, with Cardona emphasizing the way frequent wrestling keeps talent sharp. He explains how AEW’s indie-friendly policies help talent refine their craft.
00:25:23 – 00:28:09 | Collectibles, The Major Pod, and Starting a Toy Company
Matt shares the origin story of his acclaimed action figure podcast and toy company “Major Collectibles.” He explains how embracing his collector persona turned into a lucrative business and community.
00:28:10 – 00:31:36 | Brand Expansion & Defining the Matt Cardona Legacy
He reflects on brand-building, ongoing “prime” energy, and the endless possibilities in wrestling, media, and collectibles, focusing on enjoying the journey more than chasing a specific legacy.
00:31:37 – 00:34:14 | Industry Evolution: WWE on Netflix and Wrestling’s Mainstream Boom
Cardona and Coachman discuss WWE’s surge in mainstream popularity, Netflix deals, and how the industry’s expansion benefits everyone, from headliners to independent talent.
00:34:15 – 00:39:59 | Celebrity Involvement, Merch Stories, and Monetizing Fan Connection
The episode delves into the role of celebrities at WrestleMania, the business logic behind celebrity spots, and Cardona’s early strategies of fan engagement and creative merch hustle.
00:40:00 – 00:46:31 | The Last Match Musical, Vegas Events & Wrestling in Pop Culture
Cardona describes performing in “The Last Match” musical and how the line between wrestling and performance art continues to blur. Coachman plugs WrestleMania week events and shares candid stories from the road.
00:46:32 – END | Wrap-Up, Outlook for the Future, and Final Words
Matt previews upcoming appearances in Vegas, hints at future business expansions, and closes with optimistic advice for wrestlers and entrepreneurs. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
00:00 – 00:02:30 | Intro, WrestleMania Hype, and Matt Cardona’s Arrival
Jonathan Coachman introduces Matt Cardona, highlighting his status as “the Internet champion” and discussing their shared WWE past. Matt recalls his recent trip to Australia, where he won the World Series Wrestling World Title and shares how overseas fans fuel his passion and merch sales.
00:02:31 – 00:06:44 | Leaving WWE & Embracing the Independent Scene
Cardona recounts dealing with his WWE release during the pandemic, how he “killed Zack Ryder”—his WWE persona—to become Matt Cardona, and his strategy of being a hated heel to maximize audience engagement and merchandise sales. He stresses the importance of connecting with fans beyond the ring.
00:06:45 – 00:08:43 | Turning a Death Match Into a Merch Jackpot
Matt details his infamous GCW death match versus Nick Gage, the viral exposure, and how he monetized the bloody aftermath by selling pieces of his shirt for over $20,000, echoing WWE's merch practices. He emphasizes the business lessons from WWE and how indie stars can level up.
00:08:44 – 00:10:33 | Mindset Shift: From Bitter Ex-WWE to Thriving Entrepreneur
Cardona opens up about embracing his WWE journey as “developmental” for his business acumen—eschewing bitterness for gratitude and personal growth. He declares his indie run as the most successful chapter of his career by every metric.
00:10:34 – 00:13:14 | Social Media & Personal Branding Secrets
With millions of followers, Cardona outlines how wrestlers and creators should use social media for free marketing, posting relentlessly, and staying constantly in the public eye. He shares tactical advice for aspiring talent to stand out.
00:13:15 – 00:15:38 | Booking Control & The Freedom of Being a Free Agent
Matt discusses his self-managed schedule, relishing the ability to turn down bookings and enjoy newfound freedom after a strictly regimented WWE career.
00:15:39 – 00:16:54 | AEW’s Impact on Wrestling Business
Cardona credits AEW for creating jobs and raising pay scales across the industry—expanding opportunities for wrestlers, production staff, and beyond. He appreciates the competition and energy it brought to the business.
00:16:55 – 00:20:47 | Indie-WWE Crossover, Fan Culture, and Chelsea Green’s Rise
He discusses the modern crossover between major promotions and indie companies, the unpredictability reminiscent of the Monday Night Wars, and shines a spotlight on his wife Chelsea Green—her unique approach to making every minute count backstage and on social.
00:20:48 – 00:22:06 | Mentorship and Honest Advice for Young Talent
Cardona shares his willingness to help younger wrestlers, pushing them to maximize social media, understand the business, and be proactive about self-promotion. He notes that wrestling success today is built far beyond just match quality.
00:22:07 – 00:25:22 | The Value of House Shows & Staying Sharp as a Wrestler
The hosts discuss the pros and cons of house shows, with Cardona emphasizing the way frequent wrestling keeps talent sharp. He explains how AEW’s indie-friendly policies help talent refine their craft.
00:25:23 – 00:28:09 | Collectibles, The Major Pod, and Starting a Toy Company
Matt shares the origin story of his acclaimed action figure podcast and toy company “Major Collectibles.” He explains how embracing his collector persona turned into a lucrative business and community.
00:28:10 – 00:31:36 | Brand Expansion & Defining the Matt Cardona Legacy
He reflects on brand-building, ongoing “prime” energy, and the endless possibilities in wrestling, media, and collectibles, focusing on enjoying the journey more than chasing a specific legacy.
00:31:37 – 00:34:14 | Industry Evolution: WWE on Netflix and Wrestling’s Mainstream Boom
Cardona and Coachman discuss WWE’s surge in mainstream popularity, Netflix deals, and how the industry’s expansion benefits everyone, from headliners to independent talent.
00:34:15 – 00:39:59 | Celebrity Involvement, Merch Stories, and Monetizing Fan Connection
The episode delves into the role of celebrities at WrestleMania, the business logic behind celebrity spots, and Cardona’s early strategies of fan engagement and creative merch hustle.
00:40:00 – 00:46:31 | The Last Match Musical, Vegas Events & Wrestling in Pop Culture
Cardona describes performing in “The Last Match” musical and how the line between wrestling and performance art continues to blur. Coachman plugs WrestleMania week events and shares candid stories from the road.
00:46:32 – END | Wrap-Up, Outlook for the Future, and Final Words
Matt previews upcoming appearances in Vegas, hints at future business expansions, and closes with optimistic advice for wrestlers and entrepreneurs. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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