Welcome back to Cloud and Fire! In this episode, host Jaimie Crumley is chatting with Rev. Erica Wimber Avena. Erica is an interim ministry specialist. She currently serves at First Church in West Hartford, Connecticut. Jaimie and Erica discuss a challenging passage from John 2 where Jesus is putting His house in order. Together they wonder what divine justice looks like and how we can protect what is sacred to us. They also discuss how churches built on indigenous land and that have profited from slave labor can determine justice-filled ways to move forward. You do not want to miss this conversation!
 
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