After a month hiatus, Brian and Jordan are back with stories about trips, waking up in pain, and prepping for competition. They also talk about growth in terms of profitability versus milestones, the newest developments with ZipMessage, and introducing “common, everyday tools” to people outside of the SaaS community.



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“Growth as headcount as an acceptable growth metric. And the reason for that is if you’re not shooting for
profitability and you’re shooting for milestones.” – Jordan Powered By the Tweet This PluginTweet This



Here are today’s conversation points:



The relationship between founder and VCHeadcount versus profitability as growthHiring a recruiterZipMessage goalsPrioritizing requestsSetting up new featuresOpening it up to the publicThe Shipped podcastBrian’s new technical marketerIntroduction of technology to othersNiche toolsSummit, whiteboards that do math. The easiest way to create, test, and present your logic.Taming the chaos


“If profitability isn’t the goal on this path (which makes sense), what are the metrics that you’re looking at for the next 12 months or 18 months?” – Brian Powered By the Tweet This PluginTweet This



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Rally On 



ZipMessage



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Productize 



Audience Ops



ProcessKit  



Carthook  



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