This episode is a conversation about SIA's research trip to Canberra. In an aim to talk about the interesting ideas at the ambassadorial/HC level meetings we had, this discussion maintains Chatham house rules: We talk about the ideas but not where the ideas have come from. The report John and David must produce with collaborators is being done on behalf of the Defense, as such this podcast presents learnings about small and medium states defence spending and priorities.This week's music comes courtesy of Big Uncle Love Bus, check them out on Facebook, Spotify, and Apple Music.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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