Sacramento Poet Laureate Andru Defeye’s startling declaration that “he is a recovering racist” while reading a poem he wrote for Sac State’s 2022 antiracism and inclusion Convocation blindsided host Phillip Altstatt and inspired this episode.
This thoughtful conversation about the difference between prejudice and racism, systemic power and control, privilege, and equity reveals some uncomfortable truths but is ultimately about hope.
Andru shares his journey to becoming an antiracist and offers solutions—starting with acknowledging and owning systemic truths and using the power of love to heal and create meaningful change.

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