Tiffany Haynes sits down with Jordan Wright and Darin Petty to explore how you actually stay human while building something that’s never existed before. Recorded live at MoneyPot, this episode is pure kinetic energy — founders mid-build, mid-pivot, mid-life.They swap founder frameworks in real time: how to spot pain that’s worth solving, how to trust defiance over consensus, how to pivot without losing belief. Jordan breaks down how Atomic bet on a credential-free future when it made no sense—and how timing and persistence turned that “wrong” call into a defining moment. Darin shares how Chisel turned long-term certainty into short, high-impact sprints that teach, de-risk, and convert.In a rare vulnerable turn, the group gets into the emotional work of building: how to forgive, rebuild, and choose people over ego; how to live an integrated life where family, ambition, and community actually coexist.It’s not a play-by-play of what to build—but a raw conversation about how to keep building when the noise, fear, and fatigue hit hardest.

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