Phoebe Wynne worked as a teacher for eight years, teaching Classics in the UK and English Language and Literature in Paris. She left teaching to write and we’re delighted today to be talking about her first novel Madam, which has been described as gothic fiction with a feminist twist perfect for fans of Madeline Miller and Margaret Atwood. Our interview begins at 26 minutes. Mini book club: Expectation by Anna HopeWe found this a really fascinating book about friendship and relationships and what we hope our lives will be. It's one of those books where you'll bring very different feelings based on personal experiences. We're both interested to see how our feelings towards this change in five or more years. In this interview, we chat about:The literary inspirations Phoebe drew on for Madam, especially Daphne Du Maurier and classic Greek TragediesWhy Phoebe chose to set the novel in the early 1990s and the implications this had on the novel (we take a diversion here into third wave/fourth wave feminism here - we checked after recording and we’re in the ‘fourth wave’ of feminism currently)A long and winding chat about the value of women, feminism and the patriarchyPhoebe’s work as a teacher and her journey to publicationThe Australian inspiration for Phoebe’s gothic writing style (and a diversion into Australian New Wave Cinema and My Brilliant Career)The fragile nature of schooling and the influence of good teachers on your lifeThe study of Classics and why Phoebe wanted to make it a central part of MadamBooks and other things mentionedAdults by Emma Jane UnsworthOlive by Emma GannonGrown Ups by Marian KeyesQueenie by Candice Carty-WilliamsRebecca by Daphne Du MaurierMy Cousin Rachel by Daphne Du MaurierThe Science of Storytelling by Will StorrThelma and Louise (movie)Batman Returns (movie)Alien (movie)Silence of the Lambs (movie)Women and Power by Mary BeardPicnic at Hanging Rock By Joan Lindsay (and the  1975 film directed by Peter Weir)The Gaps by Leanne HallMy Brilliant Career by  Miles FranklinMad Women in the Attic by Sandra Gilbert and Susan GubarThe Book Thief by Marcus ZusakAsterix comicsFollow Phoebe on Instagram @phoebewynnewritesFollow us on Instagram @betterwordspodMadam will be available in the UK and Australia from May 13. Michelle and Caitlin received PR copies of Madam from Quercus UK. 

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