Is your leadership costing you connection?In this honest and thought-provoking conversation, Walter Kim, President of the National Association of Evangelicals, joins ECFA President Michael Martin to explore the emotional and relational challenges leaders face behind the scenes. From the illusion of transparency to the power of biblical vulnerability, this episode uncovers what it really takes to build meaningful friendships in ministry—and why you can’t lead well without them.Whether you're a pastor, nonprofit leader, or executive, you'll find practical insight and deep encouragement to help you lead from a place of connection, not isolation.About Walter Kim: Walter Kim is President of the National Association of Evangelicals. He earned his PhD at Harvard, was a chaplain at Yale, and has served in diverse pastoral ministries. He is on the board of World Relief, Christianity Today, and The Salvation Army, USA. He is often sought out for his theological and cultural commentary on issues facing the church and society.Additional Resources: ECFA.org/LeaderCareWalterKim.orgNational Association of EvangelicalsNAE PodcastsCall to Action: If this conversation resonated with you, don’t keep it to yourself—like, share, and subscribe for more insights on healthy leadership. Drop a comment below with your biggest takeaway, and keep the conversation going!

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