In this episode, Dr. David Hanscom talks with Jake Eagle, a psychotherapist and founder of the Live Conscious community. He discusses how patients dealing with chronic pain often see themselves as victims and the world as “acting” upon them. He works with them to change their language to the present tense and avoid praise and blame, as a way of reclaiming their personal power and making meaning in their lives. This, he believes, is an important step to connecting with others and healing.

Jake Eagle, after 25 years in private practice as a psychotherapist, now refers to himself as a meta-therapist—working with people who wonder what comes after therapy. He and his wife founded the Live Conscious community, which you can find at liveconscious.com. They teach online classes and retreats. And Jake is a co-investigator of Mindfulness Studies with NorthBay Healthcare and UC Berkeley Greater Good Science Center. Pain, Chronic Pain, Healing,
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