Want to reach out to us? Want to leave a comment or review? Want to give us a suggestion or berate Anthony? Send us a text by clicking this link!What happens when three distinct papal visions collide with the legacy of Vatican II? This riveting conversation explores how John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis each navigated the complex aftermath of the Council while shaped by their unique historical contexts.Most Catholics don't realize that both John Paul II and Benedict XVI were formed during the chaos of World War II and Soviet occupation—a trauma that influenced their cautious approach to implementing Vatican II. When John Paul II needed Communist permission just to attend the Council as a young bishop, it revealed the high stakes of Church politics in that era. These experiences created leaders who operated very differently than Francis, who represents a post-conciliar generation with its own vision.The discussion delves into sensitive territory that mainstream Catholic media often avoids: how personnel choices determined policy outcomes, how the sexual abuse crisis undermined trust in Church leadership, and why social media has transformed Catholic discourse. We explore why traditional liturgy appeals to younger Catholics despite restrictions, and how the upcoming conclave might determine whether the Church continues Francis's trajectory or returns to earlier interpretations.Most powerfully, the conversation acknowledges the painful reality that many faithful Catholics experienced crises of faith during Francis's papacy due to perceived doctrinal ambiguity—a perspective rarely voiced in polite Catholic circles. By understanding these complex dynamics, we gain insight into the divided state of contemporary Catholicism and what might lie ahead after Francis.Whether you're a traditional Catholic, a Vatican II enthusiast, or simply curious about Church politics, this conversation offers perspectives you won't hear in typical Catholic media. Join us for an honest, thoughtful exploration of how the past shapes our present and future Church.Support the showTake advantage of great Catholic red wines by heading over to https://recusantcellars.com/ and using code "BASED" for 10% off at checkout!********************************************************Please subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKsxnv80ByFV4OGvt_kImjQ?sub_confirmation=1https://www.avoidingbabylon.comMerchandise: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.comLocals Community: https://avoidingbabylon.locals.comFull Premium/Locals Shows on Audio Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1987412/subscribeRSS Feed for Podcast Apps: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/1987412.rssRumble: https://rumble.com/c/AvoidingBabylon

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