Randy tries to draw lines of debate about slogans and terminology with Jen and Rod, but they step over his lines and say "we agree." Jayde never did disagree. Guest John Small tells about his years of work with Australian ocean scientists, manufacturing equipment for their research, and staging some of the funniest Christmas parties in human history. Rod Lamberts: https://twitter.com/rodl Jayde Lovell: https://twitter.com/JaydeLovell Randy Olson on the Web:https://twitter.com/ABTagenda​ Randy's Blog: http://scienceneedsstory.com​ Learn more about the ABT Framework Course: http://storycirclestraining.com/ Jen Martin: https://twitter.com/scidocmartin https://www.instagram.com/scidocmartin/ Science Communication at the University of Melbourne: https://blogs.unimelb.edu.au/science-communication/ Jen's Blog: https://espressoscience.com/

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