Steven and Mark interview Ben Kirby of PreachersNSneakers (6:00). We talk about the uneasy relationship Christians have with luxury (13:30), the allure of fame for Christian leaders (25:00), what any church leader has to confront when their work is successful (43:00) and the temptation to stop actual service and pursue fame. Steven also shares his experience with being a low level celebrity in megachurch world, and discusses Abe’s Wallet as a temptation to grasp at popularity and minor stardom. (35:00) Ben also boggles our brains by dropping more celebrity and fashion names than, frankly, we’ve ever heard.



Resources referenced in this episode:



Art and the Bible, Francis Schaeffer



Preacher N Sneakers, Ben Kirby



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