On today’s pre-recorded show, host Sara Gabler speaks with two journalists covering religion and American politics, Phoebe Petrovic and Sarah McCammon. Over the last year Gabler has been on this show to talk about her upbringing in a conservative evangelical community in the South. Today the show focuses on how the rhetoric of Christian nationalism is influencing US politics and the daily experiences of growing up as an evangelical.
Petrovic describes the rise of the Christian right and how white Christian nationalist rhetoric is influencing the Trump Administration. McCammon discusses the long and difficult process of unlearning–sometimes called “deconstructing”–the lessons of evangelical ideology. Listen to Gabler’s full interview with McCammon from last Spring.

Sarah McCammon is a National Political Correspondent for NPR and host of the NPR Politics Podcast. Her book, The Exvangelicals: Loving, Living, and Leaving the White Evangelical Church, is out now in paperback. 
Phoebe Petrovic is an investigative reporter on a two-year fellowship with ProPublica’s Local Reporting Network. Phoebe previously covered disinformation and democracy at Wisconsin Watch and was a 2022-2023 Law & Justice Journalism Project fellow.
Featured image of a bus for Concerned Women for America parked at the 2024 Republican National Convention, courtesy of Sara Gabler/WORT.
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