In this episode, we unpack the conversations that shaped our message on Isaiah 24–27. We wrestle with the tension between consequences and hope, exploring how God, as a skilled gardener, uses both to refine us. We discuss the difference between a harvested vine and a trampled branch, the role of connection in spiritual growth, and Jesus’ powerful words in John 15. What does it mean to be pruned for something better? And how do we embrace both grace and growth in our own lives? Join us as we dive into the process behind the message.

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