In this week’s conversation, we unpack Jesus’ words about the narrow and wide gates from Matthew 7:13–14 — not as a warning about who gets in, but as an invitation into a deeper kind of life. Together they explore what it means to move from surface-level faith to genuine transformation — from self-sufficiency to surrender, from external performance to internal health. Along the way, they talk about Moses learning to take advice, the rich young ruler’s struggle to let go, and the tension between looking good and being whole. It’s an honest, down-to-earth dialogue about what it means to actually walk with Jesus, not just admire Him from a distance.

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