r/zen is a reddit forum about Zen scholarship, study, and practice. Reddit Post:  https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/12pobhv/the_relationship_between_selfnature_and_the/ Post Summary: Therefore, if you students of the Way seek to progress through seeing, hearing, feeling and knowing, when you are deprived of your perceptions, your way to Mind will be cut off and you will find nowhere to enter. Only realize that, though real Mind is expressed in these perceptions, it neither forms part of them nor is separate from them. You should not start REASONING from these perceptions, nor allow them to give rise to conceptual thought; yet nor should you seek the One Mind apart from them or abandon them in your pursuit of the Dharma. Do not keep them nor abandon them nor dwell in them nor cleave to them.' Zen Teaching: Huangbo's record, published by the famous Blofeld as Zen Teaching of Huang-Po Zen Lineage: www.reddit.com/r/zen/wiki/getstarted

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