In this episode Carson Gross – creator of htmx, joins me to reflect on the evolution of the web, the pitfalls of modern frameworks, and why simplicity still matters. We cover his programming roots, his teaching experience, the philosophy behind htmx, and his strong opinions on abstraction, complexity, and testing. Join us!HTMX book (free digital version!) https://hypermedia.systems/Mentioned blog: https://grugbrain.dev/Website: https://bigsky.software/cv/GitHub: https://github.com/bigskysoftwareWookash PodcastShow links: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lukasz-scigaSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7tExkDJcI6vvmpCguX8YgdApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wookash-podcast/id1683109481Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9J9u3apteD0EuFjzRpt71wRSS: https://anchor.fm/s/dd7643a4/podcast/rssX: https://x.com/wookash_podcast

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