We face great challenges today, both old and new. We've got wars and toxic nationalism as well as questions about how to navigate in the new conditions that the digital age has brought along. Could we use utopia as a compass?Meet the American anthropologist Martin Schoenhals, http://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n93001364/ and the Finnish sociologist Mikko Lagerspetz, https://research.abo.fi/en/persons/mikko-lagerspetz/publications/ together with me, your host, Vivan Storlund, https://www.vivanstorlund.comMusic: Adventures - Crastel

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