This week, Kate and Claire talk about sleep. Kate walks through the foolproof system she had before she was pregnant vs. the challenges she has sleeping while pregnant. Claire reflects on Rodney’s sleep patterns and how sleep has changed for her as a mom. They consider the debate of whether sleep is worse in pregnancy or with a newborn. Joe shares his surprisingly controversial tip for falling asleep, as the three discuss the roles of anxiety, vigilance, and being needed by another human being that make sleep in pregnancy and parenthood such a doozy. Weekly Plugs:Lawrence, KansasNew York CityMamdani CampaignSeatbelts Meditation Mindful AstoriaEditing, recording, post production and dad insights by Joe Leonardo. Music by Christopher Morucci.

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