Sometimes ministry can be hard, people can be hard, and where God is leading us can be confusing. Today we have hosts Justin and Colin kicking off the episode by giving you a behind-the-scenes peek into what ministry looks like on the M-F grind. Stay tuned as Justin calls one of his best friends in the world (all the way from South Africa), Jason Zeeman. Jason and Justin talk about everything from trusting God in hard times, to dealing with tough people when ministry seems bleak, burnout, and a whole lot more. And don't miss a return to our Rushmore Segment as Zac Anderson jumps on to break down from Thriller movies. A great summertime listen!

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