Neil deGrasse Tyson is one of the most brilliant men alive and I think his genius runs beyond science and into how he’s able to communicate with people. Indeed, he rejects the very notion of himself as a genius—when I asked him about it he said his success is all about hard work. He just reads and writes and thinks all the time. In this conversation I wanted to talk about anything but science, I wanted to get to know a different side of him, so here’s Neil like you’ve never heard him before—on his penchant for hard work, on his father, on wine, and on racism. Also check out his new Master Class on science and communication. This interview is from 2020.

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