Off the back of our episode last week, we wanted to talk about failure. Rather than being our enemy, failure is an inevitable part of the path to success. To help illustrate this we share our own personal journey with this with Noa sharing about her journey in overcoming perfectionism with singing the songs we are recording for This Pilgrimage. We also talk about Pixar, Switchfoot, Desmond Tutu, punk rock and Tolkien!

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