In this special RSA Conference edition of The Professional CISO Show, host David Malicoat sits down with Rob T. Lee—Chief of Research at SANS Institute and a foundational figure in cybersecurity. With nearly three decades of experience spanning the Air Force, Mandiant, and SANS, Rob shares his insights on the evolving challenges of the CISO role, the toxicity of today’s security environments, and the urgent need for AI literacy across the industry.Rob dives deep into the accelerating threat landscape, the need for cyber safe harbors, and why he believes we’re on the verge of normalizing breaches as the cost of doing business. He also makes the case for rewarding defenders and rethinking how we define cybersecurity success.Key Highlights:Why most CISOs say “never again”—and what needs to changeWhy Rob coined DFIR and CTI (and the story behind it)The CISO “zero-sum game” and how toxic cultures persistRob’s 4-part personal health mantra: Sleep, Diet, Exercise… and AIA call to “Learn AI daily”—for security pros and business leaders alikeWhat boards should be doing—and why every board needs a cyber voiceRob’s RSA keynote preview: cyber safe harbors and AI velocity imbalanceGuest:👤 Rob T. Lee – Chief of Research, SANS Institute🔗 https://www.sans.org/profiles/rob-t-lee/Host:🎙️ David Malicoat, The Professional CISO Show🌐 www.thpc.coListen & Subscribe:🔊 Spotify: The Professional CISO Show on Spotify🍎 Apple Podcasts: The Professional CISO Show on Apple📣 Hashtags: #Cybersecurity #TheProfessionalCISO #RSA2025 #RobTLee #SANS #DFIR #AIinSecurity #CyberRisk #CISOLeadership #CTI #CyberSafeHarbor #LearnAIDaily #IncidentResponse #AIThreats #CyberCulture

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