Mike Vichich is the Co-founder and CEO of Pursuit, which helps companies generate more revenue from the public sector.We talk about how AI is changing Helmer’s 7 Powers, how it’s impacting the government, if DOGE is actually working, building a startup in the Midwest, and how to disagree with your team.We also get into Mike’s prior company Wisely, and how they went from $11 in the bank account and unable to pay payroll for six months, to over $10 million ARR and a $187 million exit to Olo, a public company.Thanks to Jack Altman and Blake Robbins for their help brainstorming topics for Mike!Timestamps:(3:21) How AI changes Helmer’s 7 Powers(17:06) What becomes important in AI-first economy(21:02) How AI interfaces with the government(24:02) “The rules intended to save taxpayer money ironically cause taxpayer money to be wasted”(29:34) How change orders impact public sector costs(33:20) Why DOGE has not impacted US government spending yet(38:15) Three pieces of wisdom from 2nd-time founders(41:44) Starting Pursuit to make selling to the public sector as easy as the private sector(45:35) Why cities grow expenses 5x faster than tax revenue(51:42) Pros + Cons of building startups in Ann Arbor, MI(57:43) Hiring talent density in the Midwest(59:30) Starting his first company to fix consumer credit cards(1:08:50) Pivoting Wisely to restaurant loyalty(1:12:49) $11 in the bank, missing payroll for six months(1:15:21) Embarrassing demo at an Ann Arbor tech meetup(1:18:18) Why CEOs don’t always have to be right(1:20:54) How to disagree(1:25:48) Hiring at Pursuit(1:28:30) “A bad day with customers is better than the best day in the office”(1:31:33) Crashing their first customer’s PoS on Labor Day Weekend(1:35:55) Using “The Cadence” to hit $10M ARR(1:41:55) Selling Wisely to Olo for $187MReferencedCheck out Pursuit: https://www.pursuit.us/The Four Steps to the Epiphany by Steve Blank: https://www.amazon.com/Four-Steps-Epiphany-Steve-Blank/dp/0989200507Ann Arbor New Tech Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/a2newtech/How to Disagree: https://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.htmlThe Cadence by David Sacks: https://sacks.substack.com/p/the-cadence-how-to-operate-a-saas-startup-436aa8099e8Follow MikeTwitter: https://x.com/mikevichichLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikevichichFollow TurnerTwitter: https://twitter.com/TurnerNovakLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/turnernovakSubscribe to my newsletter to get every episode + the transcript in your inbox every week: https://www.thespl.it/

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