Mike opens the show discussing the last appearance by Jackson Horn. This leads to a discussion of freedom. They compare what Jackson said to their own understanding of freedom.Mike discusses how Jackson refuses to listen to anything they said about freedom. Mike provides the Oxford Dictionary definition of freedom.This leads to a discussion wherein the question is asked “is there really any such thing as true freedom.”They discuss the fact that driving a car doesn’t equate to freedom.Torya points out that you can’t just walk into a restaurant and eat unless you pay them first.They begin exploring ways to achieve freedom.

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