What actually creates real change for animals — outrage or strategy?In this episode, I sit down with Animal Justice Party MP Emma Hurst to unpack the journey from animal activism to animal welfare reform.We explore how the psychology of behaviour change plays a critical role in advocacy, the three levers that drive reform (individual, corporate, political), and why strategy — not outrage — is what moves the needle for animals.From recent wins in NSW animal law — like banning the forced swim test — to the push for an independent Minister for Animal Protection, this conversation is a grounded, hopeful look at how compassion becomes policy.Resources & Next Steps→ Follow ⁠Emma Hurst on Instagram⁠ (@Emma.Hurst) for ongoing campaign updates.→ Visit Emma's website to explore her latest work and legislative campaigns.→ Want to help? Contact the Animal Justice Party to volunteer, become a member, or consider standing as a candidate.→ For gentle, practical ways to care for your animals naturally, join Ruth’s Animal Lovers Tribe and receive the Low Tox Starter Kit for Pets.If you loved this episode…
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