Vanessa and her sister Kara are joined by New York Times bestselling author, Rachel Bertsche, of The Kids Are In Bed. Rachel tells us how to be honest with ourselves about what we really enjoy and how to find our personal identity outside of motherhood. Rachel suggests making a list of the things you can do for yourself as you make free time in your schedule. She shares what she enjoys doing, and encourages every mom and parent to enjoy the little indulgences along the way.  We are so happy you are here! Make a Chatbook and use code POD20. Happy Chatbooking!   

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