In this episode of Learning Laborers, Taylor and Denver sit down with their fellow classmate Noah Schumacher - a pastor and contributor to the new volume And Upon This Rock, which explores the life of the Apostle Peter. Noah shares his 11-year journey in pastoral ministry, including transformative moments and crises that shaped his vision of success in ministry. He discusses how he found inspiration in Peter's story, particularly through his experiences of failure, restoration, and obedience, and how these insights have redefined his approach to leading a church. Tune in for an enriching conversation on the challenges and rewards of ministry, guided by biblical narratives and personal experience.Purchase the book And Upon This Rock. 00:00 Welcome and Introduction01:34 Noah's Ministry Journey02:59 A Calling to Pastoral Ministry06:45 Challenges and Crisis in Ministry14:11 Finding Resonance with Peter15:41 Peter's Highs and Lows27:49 A Personal Crisis and Revelation32:23 Understanding True Ministry Success33:05 Contrasting Views on Ministry Success33:43 The Embarrassing Truth About Metrics34:46 Faithfulness Over Numbers36:47 Ordination as a Demotion40:24 The Pressure of Financial Stability in Ministry43:30 The Crisis of Church Decline48:09 The Role of Prayer in Ministry50:47 Peter's Restoration and Its Lessons01:01:39 Encouragement for Ministry Laborers

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