In this powerful episode of The Good Builder Podcast, Az catches up with two blokes who bring more than just banter to the table: Matt (a familiar face to our community) and Hamish, who's story is equal parts grit, growth, and guts. Recorded live at the Level Up Experience, this conversation dives deep into what it really means to survive, and thrive, in the building game.Hamish shares his raw journey from labouring to luxury hotels, from GFC debt to a master’s degree, and from nearly losing it all to rediscovering purpose. Matt jumps in with honesty, humour, and insight, the two now teaming up to build something new for builders: software actually designed by people who’ve worn the boots.We talk about:The real toll of business failures and bouncing backWhy most software systems miss the mark for tradiesHow small 1% actions everyday sparked a bigger missionThe loneliness of running a business and the power of communityAnd of course, what makes a good builderThis one’s about resilience, real talk, and rebuilding from the inside out. If you’re a builder feeling the weight or wanting to make smarter moves... this is your episode.

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