In Episode 24 of the Faith in Real Life podcast, Nat Crawford and Daniel Coke sit down with Christian apologist Clay Jones for a deep conversation on one of the most difficult questions in Christianity: Why does God allow evil and suffering?Clay shares his own journey into apologetics, shaped by a painful family background, and helps us understand how moral and natural evil intersect, how suffering can lead to spiritual growth, and what heaven is really like.This episode isn’t just theory—it’s full of real, raw, and relevant truth. If you’ve ever wrestled with doubt, pain, or questioned God’s goodness in a broken world, this one’s for you.📌 Chapters 00:00 – Introduction to the Podcast and Guest 02:06 – Clay Jones: Journey into Apologetics 07:55 – Understanding the Problem of Evil 09:53 – Engaging Different Audiences on Evil 15:38 – Moral vs. Natural Evil 17:31 – The Inevitability of Suffering 22:06 – Free Will and God's Presence 25:25 – Discipleship vs. Conversion 28:36 – Understanding True Salvation 33:21 – The Challenge of Self-Deception 36:48 – Finding Hope in Suffering 41:03 – The Reality of Heaven 47:12 – Setting Our Hope on Grace📖 Scripture Highlight: Romans 8:18 – “The sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.”👍 Like, Comment, and Subscribe 🔔 Don’t forget to turn on notifications so you never miss an episode!🎧 Available wherever you listen to podcasts ▶️ Full playlist: Faith in Real Life PodcastSupport the showFollow us online Pastor Nat:FB - @natcrawfordspeakerX - @natmaanInstagram - @natmaanYouTube - https://youtube.com/@NatCrawford?si=_ObFu-smVYoZul2wWebsite - www.natcrawford.comChurch - www.livinglifereformed.orgPastor Dan:FB - https://www.facebook.com/dan.coke.9Church - https://sowerchurch.com/

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