SummaryIn this conversation, Josh and Sean O'Ciardhra delve into the themes of hyper normalisation, political leadership, and the impact of media on public perception. They discuss the current political landscape, the role of immigration in political discourse, and the rise of populism. The conversation also touches on the intersection of religion and politics, the void of meaning in modern society, and the challenges of neoliberalism. Ultimately, they reflect on the need for new political ideas and the potential for change in the future.Chapters00:00 Exploring Hyper Normalization02:38 The Role of Politicians as Managers05:06 The Rise of Far-Right Politics07:41 Immigration Rhetoric and Public Sentiment10:09 The Impact of Media on Political Divisions12:58 The Nature of Political Protests15:40 The Future of Political Change18:05 Neoliberalism: Past and Present23:18 The Legacy of Neoliberalism25:37 The Dangers of Managerialism26:02 Political Identity and Leadership28:25 The Crisis of Meaning in Politics31:50 The Role of Religion in Modern Society35:24 The Intersection of Politics and Religion39:42 The Future of Political Movements

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