Chris is joined by Michael Clune, a professor at the Ohio State University’s Salmon P. Chase Center for Civics, Culture, and Society, and the author of the excellent new novel, Pan. They discuss some of the themes and ideas underlying Pan, as well as Michael’s vision of literary scholarship and its place in the modern university. Show notes: Michael’s new novel, PanMichael’s previous book, A Defense of Judgement“We Asked for It,” Michael’s 2024 essay in The Chronicle of Higher EducationAEI’s recent event, “Literature in Limbo,” for which Michael served as a panelist Time stamps: 1:12 Pan’s origin and its relation to Michael’s criticism7:12 The challenges of portraying mental illness in literature13:51 Ritual and cultural artifacts in the novel27:33 Technology, shared experience, and the 90s40:22 Understanding experience through narrative50:30 The study of literature in higher education Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist. Produced by Sean Doolan and S. Lillywhite.

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