In this conversation, we explore the concept of midlife as an unraveling rather than a crisis, discussing the importance of embracing second stories and navigating the ambiguity and certainty where ever you are in life. Sharing personal anecdotes and insights on creativity reveals the intersection of art and interpretation, and the journey of self-discovery. Our discussion emphasizes the value of finding safety within oneself amidst uncertainty and encourages you, the listener to embrace your own stories and experiences.

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