In this episode of the Switch Leader Podcast, Josh Baldwin sits down with Zach Dyck, youth pastor at Life.Church Des Moines, to tackle a challenge many ministry leaders face—losing passion over time. They dive into the importance of balancing ownership and relationship in leadership, revealing how too much of one without the other can lead to burnout or apathy. Through personal stories, biblical insights, and practical advice, Josh and Zach explore how cultivating both can reignite passion, create deeper connections, and help leaders thrive in ministry and life.

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