5: Jo Abel - Telling the Story of Ordinary People Julian talks to award winning documentary maker, and his sister, Jo Abel. 'I am proud to be the brother of Jo Abel. Jo is a successful documentary producer and director. Two of her most recent documentaries have been Exodus, telling the stories of refugees coming to Europe, and the just aired Once Upon a Time in Iraq. This documentary tells the stories of people who lived through the years of utter turmoil, demonstrating the reality of what the consequences are of making a decision to go to war. We talk mainly about compassion and the lack of it in the context of this extraordinary bit of film making, which everyone should watch. I cannot think of a clearer demonstration of why we should choose to be more compassionate, highlighted against the background of lack of compassion that accompanies violence.' Things mentioned on the episode: Boys and Girls Exodus Paddy Wivell Once upon a time in Iraq Mosul Eye Website, Twitter For Sama Ahmed Al-Basheer Ken Burns Rutger Bregman The Dawn Wall Netflix Tommy Caldwell Instagram, Twitter Julian Abel can be found on Twitter Lindsay Clarke Podcast Episode Follow Survival of the Kindest on Twitter, Instagram and subscribe on Apple, Spotify or wherever you like to listen to get our episodes as they are released. Email us on [email protected]

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